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Nicolai is another critic patting little Jane on the head, referring to her as a mother who made some simple, emotional observations about city life. Now, Ouroussoff writes, it's time for the grownups, the real thinkers, to celebrate things like the ‘heroic scale’ of L.A.’s highways (seriously, is this guy a complete fool?). Hey, Jacobs didn’t have an answer for suburban sprawl, so really, come on. It is a dishonest piece of writing (nearly blaming Jane Jacobs for Battery Park City!), giving a shout-out to Robert Moses, who brought us roads, parks, and bridges. In what translation was Jacobs opposed to roads, parks, and bridges? It was the context of those roads, particularly, that was Jacobs' issue. You know, the 'road' that would have destroyed downtown Manhattan. Ouroussoff says Jacobs' death might be taken as permission to move on, but the essay is nothing more than a pissing contest and it is, frankly, disgusting.

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How can Gutter find one of Ourossoff's worst pieces to be good? Gutter is WAY off on this one. Jane deserved greater credit and Ourossoff is so shortsighted and wrong in his piece. By contrast, Sunday's Toronto Star had a fantastic spread paying tribute to Jacobs' legacy:
http://www.thestar.com/static/PDF/060430_city_buildings.pdf

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Ourossoff had the audacity to say that we should remember Robert Moses at the hour of Jane Jacobs death. It's understandable that he's giving the shout out to Moses, who had absolute authority and WAS big government (while Jane was just a neighborhood citizen and a writer) as Ourossoff writes for the Times Corporation.

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This guy is almost as bad as Muschamp, where the hell does the New York Times get these hacks from? Lets reject the street and go back to building the old WTC, Lincoln Center, towers in the park, lower manhattan expressways and while were at it lets replicate the sprawl of Los Angeles in Manhattan: Give me a break. If this guy ever gets a Pulitzer I will lose all respect for other Pulitzer prize winners. I bet Ourjackoff has never read a page of Jane Jacobs before he wrote this trash article.

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Better yet, I bet he's never even read one line of Jane Jacobs.

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Uh, Sniper, how young are you? How about a little historical perspective?

When Jane Jacobs wrote Death and Life, Modernism was the official style of the Establishment. Their rule was soon to be ended by their sons and daughters at Woodstock and in the Haight, but they were still in charge, and they were building Lincoln Center and places that looked just like it in cities and universities all over America.

The Rockefellers were the biggest patrons, at MOMA, Chase, and Empire State Plaza, the god-awful-place in Albany by Rem-fave Harrison. Gropius made the Harvard Graduate School of Design the unofficial school of the Fortune 500, with frequent seminars and symposia for US Steel and General Motors.

Whaddayou talkin about, "do not share their parents' unqualified hatred of Modernist developments"? Have you noticed the hottest thing in design is neo-60s Modernism. Who do you think built all that stuff? People who hated it?

It looks like you're not going to link to this good critique of the article by Duany, so I will.

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Admit it, Herb. You chose Herb Jr. because you thought he was cute. Look at those chubby little cheeks.

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My embedded link didn't work. The Duany link is http://tinyurl.com/n9k3j

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Nicky is channeling old timey Paul Goldberger's preference for prevarication and on this hand that and on the other hand this nonsense(and didn't Sorkin do a riff on that?) However dear, dear gutter, there is a kernel of an idea here that must be further explored - that most "sensible" people - meaning people with sensibilities and a trust fund or a gig as a critic at a major newspaper - will always prefer a freeway through the middle of Manhattan over those nasty mall-like chain stores. Icky.

Lincoln Center? Ha Ha Ha... is he putting us on or this (pace a recent Muschamp spiel) another unknown monument to some other dare-not-speak-it's-name-subculture? As one of those 40-something architects my taste may be broad but it can still discriminate dross from gold, and maybe trend from truth.

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#1 if you are not Charlie Suisman you should have given him credit. That post is entirely from today's MUG.

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This post is meant to be humorous, ironic. I hope.

Ourossoff is not a very good observer on his best days but he exceeded my expectations in his attempt at a knockdown of Jacobs. He's so lame he doesn't even know what her weak points really are.

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Bingo.

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Anyone who can see that lame-ass shit is supposed to be funny must BE the Gutter.

David Sucher the Gutter! Who knew?

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Actually, the Gutter is me. Why do you think my book was here?

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You got me. Game over. I'm through.

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Boys! Come and get me!

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My name's on the shingle...

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No. 16 - that's exactly what Mark would say. Have I stumbled on something here? Oy!

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Oy. As god said to Moses: I AM I.

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koo koo ka joo, Mark

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Here's the dirt on the whole lot:

Jacobs, Duany, Krier, Stern and our dear puppet Plater-Zyberk.

The New subUrbanism is Al Qaeda and Jacobs is the ring leader! Their disdain for modernism, metal and concrete has driven them to destory!!! Love your vernacular; go live in caves.... just as long as it is within walking distance of city hall!

9-11 was a conspiracy of the nu; build a Seaside at Ground Zero they scream! New Urbanize the moon, mars and beyond! Their reach does not end there, oh no. Global warming is a product of Duany's hot air, only to gain more control from hurricanes. It's a nasty cycle. They control the Church; Krier IS GOD!

White pickett fences will reign supreme....

Jane will rise again....!!

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truman. you must be a fellow angry university of miami school of architecture alum? or current student? we have this club for people like us...

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WELL, NICOLAI IS RIGHT ABOUT THE NEW URBANISTS,BUT EVERYTHING ELSE HE SAYS SEEMS A LITTLE CONVOLUTED. can anyone really say that denying the last 50 years of architecture and city planning is supposed to somehow progess a society???? New urbanists use expiration dates as a tool to make themselves look controversial and provacative. they are nevertheless retroactive and will never build a real city, but then again who does.

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kellen, i had you for a behar class, you lent me your portfolio.

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Krier doesn't believe in God. When young he was a Marxist. Today he is a passionate Randian, who thinks everything other than the material is a fantasy.

Otherwise, maybe you're right.

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no shit, carl!! how ya been. hows miami? i'm in nyc working for a small modern firm. that krier building has to be the worst thing i've ever seen.

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kellen - you should wander over to astor place and take a look at the scuplpture for living.

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kellen homeboy,
good to hear you're doing well and are being rehabilitated from all the poopoo UM feeds their students. ill be in NYC for the summer interning drop me me a line my email is: waneringwho@yahoo.com

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sculpture for living sucks. i mean honestly, is there any REAL architecture in nyc with its absurd amount of regulation. makes me sick. this city is fumbling. carl. i'll drop ya a line.

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